Global Warming replied by Arandur @ Fri, 02 May 2008 14:35:02 -0000

Arandur — Fri, 02 May 2008 14:35:02 -0000

Bump for reference, but I’m starting a clean thread.

Global Warming replied by absoluteliquid @ Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:50:34 -0000

absoluteliquid — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:50:34 -0000

Right, cuz relativity is just slightly better than negativity…I’m positive…

Global Warming replied by FiNiX @ Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:30:34 -0000

FiNiX — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:30:34 -0000

kookookachoo wrote:It’s all relative, right, cuz?

Please, I beg you, don’t get us started on that topic again…

Global Warming replied by kookookachoo @ Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:28:34 -0000

kookookachoo — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:28:34 -0000

absoluteliquid wrote:>A RELATIVELY quick read compared to the volumes of (dis)information on the topic…

It’s all relative, right, cuz?

Global Warming replied by absoluteliquid @ Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:13:06 -0000

absoluteliquid — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:13:06 -0000

A RELATIVELY quick read compared to the volumes of (dis)information on the topic…

Global Warming replied by kookookachoo @ Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:37:50 -0000

kookookachoo — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:37:50 -0000

A quick read? If you say so…

I don’t want to become Amish, is there any other way? (lol)

Global Warming replied by Arandur @ Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:44:14 -0000

Arandur — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:44:14 -0000

Maybe Greenland will become green again :)

Swiss, dig up one of the threads on Creationism or Evolution…I defended it quite a bit in those…

Finix and AL, you guys have it right. Being responsible stewards of the earth means we need to do what we can to reduce our impact, but within reason and without following misguided advice. So yes, conserving energy, recycling, reducing waste, using water efficiently, all of these things we should do. But they shouldn’t keep us from driving cars at all, or buying a non-hybrid car, or becoming Amish :)

Global Warming replied by ratboy @ Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:11:38 -0000

ratboy — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:11:38 -0000

Britain loves global warming for Britain…bring it on…

Global Warming replied by absoluteliquid @ Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:41:18 -0000

absoluteliquid — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:41:18 -0000

Yes! I ride my bike everywhere in town… and we take my wife’s car if we head into the mountains…We had a blast this weekend plowing through the new snow all night Saturday… 1 foot of fresh powder :) We are at 135% of our average snow fall so far… global warming???

Global Warming replied by FiNiX @ Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:33:36 -0000

FiNiX — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:33:36 -0000

Well, I don’t think it’s a scam, really. I mostly think it’s an overreaction. I shall continue to ride my bike around town anyway.

Global Warming replied by absoluteliquid @ Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:36:25 -0000

absoluteliquid — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:36:25 -0000

After researching this topic extensively and listening to both sides of the argument I have reached the conclusion that global warming as a problem is government propaganda. Here is just one link that I found rather informative and is a quick read.
http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/green…

Global Warming replied by FiNiX @ Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:43:48 -0000

FiNiX — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:43:48 -0000

Very well put! I agree with everything that you just said.

Global Warming replied by SwissCelt @ Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:22:45 -0000

SwissCelt — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:22:45 -0000

I don’t think we can control it, per se. Rather, I believe it has a way of controlling us… as opposed to destroying us.

Let’s look at human history. Evolutionists and Biblical Creationists alike can agree that man came from somewhere in the general vicinity of the Middle East/East Africa/etc. Point is, it’s a very warm climate. Then we wound up in places like Siberia, Alaska, and Northern Europe, and all of a sudden instead of dying out we figured out how to wear furs and our skin got lighter. Then we went into places like the Caribbean, and bam… no more furs, we figured out how to fish, and our skin got darker again. Even today, evolution causes us to adapt. I mean, have you seen pictures of Florida Governor Charlie Crist, how he has such a permanent tan for some guy from Pennsylvania? ;-)

Okay, that last part was a joke, but seriously skin color is not static. It changes from generation to generation, and it does so in ways that aren’t explained by genetics alone. We adapt. We think of ways to survive in new environments, and more importantly so do our bodies.

Global Warming replied by FiNiX @ Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:40:31 -0000

FiNiX — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:40:31 -0000

I find it interesting that we think we can control it if it should get out of hand.

Interesting, and perhaps in error.

Global Warming replied by kookookachoo @ Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:30:32 -0000

kookookachoo — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:30:32 -0000

I find it interesting that we think we can control it if it should get out of hand. That is a rather large step in evolution, to think (and hope) we can manage things on a global scale. But maybe we can’t control it and shouldn’t need to anyway if we just let it run it’s course and adapt, as in above posts. You all have extremely valid points above, Bravo! (I believe it’s “Bravura!” for a diva!)

Global Warming replied by FiNiX @ Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:23:47 -0000

FiNiX — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:23:47 -0000

I would like to note something interesting that people often forget before I move on: humanity and everything created by humanity is, in a sense, natural, for we are a part of nature.

Using the words “nature” and “natural” can get confusing. Better to stick to clearer terms such as “man-made” and such, me thinks.

“Global Warming will not occur quickly enough to destroy all life. Species will continue to adapt and evolve, as they have since the beginning of time.”

Yes, but I still think it’s best not to eff with the enviornment when it can be helped.

Which isn’t to say that we should over-extend ourselves so as to stop the enviornment from changing, but that we should take the time to ride our bikes to the park and use less destructive farming methods when it can be aforded.

Global Warming replied by SwissCelt @ Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:17:09 -0000

SwissCelt — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:17:09 -0000

Arandur wrote:
> Fact is, warming is better for humans and biodiversity long term than cooling, so lets just all do what humans have always done: adapt.

Yay! A Christian believer in evolution! ;-)

Seriously, that’s one thing that bothers me about the Global Warming crowd: They seem to ignore the process of evolution which ensures the survivability of life on this planet. Global Warming will not occur quickly enough to destroy all life. Species will continue to adapt and evolve, as they have since the beginning of time.

Global Warming replied by Arandur @ Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:57:13 -0000

Arandur — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:57:13 -0000

FiNiX wrote:>> <i>But of course, we must ensure that any positive effect that a parasitic organism has does not out-weigh the negetive effect, which is often much easier to see.

Yes, but I’m pointing more to things like diseases and blights, those that affect humans or forests or other species. Competition in nature results in some species wiping out or replacing others, and humanity is no different. We can and should be selective and careful about what we do, but nature can recover from us eliminating smallpox and polio, or trying to eliminate a tree blight rapidly wiping out a tree species, or even choosing to not drop everything to save a tiny local population of a species. All the organisms in nature are always adapting to such events.

Global Warming replied by FiNiX @ Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:41:23 -0000

FiNiX — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:41:23 -0000

Arandur wrote:>Of course, we should have nothing against destroying harmful parasitic organisms,

But of course, we must ensure that any positive effect that a parasitic organism has does not out-weigh the negetive effect, which is often much easier to see.

Global Warming replied by Arandur @ Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:34:50 -0000

Arandur — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:34:50 -0000

Considering that Al Gore’s own chart in that movie demonstrated that CO2 concentrations follow rises in temperature (i.e., are caused in party by them, rather than being the cause of temperature increases), I don’t even bother with his crackpot ramblings.

Sure there’s climate change happening. The climate is always changing. Fact is, warming is better for humans and biodiversity long term than cooling, so lets just all do what humans have always done: adapt.

Global Warming replied by LdsGal202 @ Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:18:01 -0000

LdsGal202 — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:18:01 -0000

Im a chirstian and i believe in Global warming.And if your don’t open your eyes and read the facts! Their everywhere, starting out your window. It really scares me sometimes, I think that it’s a sign that the end is soon. It does say in the bible that the next time God destroys the earth and it’s inhabistants won’t be of water, like in noah’s arc, but of fire. Did anyone see that documentary by Ale Gore. SUPER GOOD! I reccomend it!!! :)))

Global Warming replied by Arandur @ Tue, 01 Jan 2008 04:46:07 -0000

Arandur — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 04:46:07 -0000

Endangered species…I agree with the aesthetic that we should highly value animal life and species, but we should be clear that “nature” doesn’t care about species, we do. This world has seen billions of species come and go, most at the expense of climatic shifts and the success of other competing species in the past. We’re only different because we are aware enough to try to preserve species. Of course, we should have nothing against destroying harmful parasitic organisms, or invasive species threatening native species, but we also need not halt everything to save a species that only exists in a tiny population, like those native only to single trees in the rainforests (though we should certainly require strong reasons to risk them).

Global Warming replied by Satolkin @ Mon, 31 Dec 2007 05:05:44 -0000

Satolkin — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 05:05:44 -0000

No, no…send them over here.
But stay outta my campgrounds.

Global Warming replied by ratboy @ Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:54:18 -0000

ratboy — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:54:18 -0000

Britain welcomes all foreign visitors…and their dollars,yen,marks,roubles,trader beads et al…

Global Warming replied by Satolkin @ Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:15:22 -0000

Satolkin — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:15:22 -0000

Oh…yeah. The Pound Sterling is now at, what? A gajillion freaking Dollars U.S. per Pound?

Man…and I was going to holiday over there next year. Guess I’ll take that WA D.C. tour I’ve been putting off.

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