How many of you are aware of the three things God cannot do???

1. God cannot lie.
2. God cannot learn.
3. God cannot overlook sin.

THEN WHY KALL HIM GAWD

Oh, yes, those cod do have trouble overlooking sin nowadays, don’t they?

But seriously, he can’t learn? Is that because he knows everything or something like that?

Right, Finix.

Saying that God can’t do those things, though, is a little misleading. The reason that He can’t is that it is meaningless to say God could do them. It’s like saying “This statement is false.” To say that God told a lie is a nonsensical statement, because whatever He says is and becomes True, by definition.

It’s a fun little list, though, AL.

Aran, there is no way that is true! A lie is a lie. If god says it, it is still a lie. Where do you get this stuff from?

shrug What might have been a lie before becomes the truth if the omnipotent being says it. It becomes as if it always would have been so. It’s the same power that with a word called forth light into existence.

OK, if you say so…

Edit: But light was already there, you see, stars and all… No one called it into existence. Sorry, but I guess I’m not gonna get this one very well, am I?

Lying and God are irreconcilable.

Lying is an action of withholding an idea from another.
God can TECHNICALLY lie, if you say that he could lie to himself about what he is.
But then he wouldn’t be GOD capital, the awesome truth we all know and love (or don’t ;));
just a confused soul unaware of the true nature of his mind/reality.

Duh god can’t learn because that’s a time concept.
Not being able to learn is a freedom not a limitation, depending on how you look at it.

And finally, God HAS to by definition overlook sin.
He of course understands it in his infinite wisdom, but how could he look?
With what eyes? And what is outside of himself to look at?
Is not his wholeness so encompassing that there is nothing for him to sense/be against?

Just thoughts ;)

Stinkowicz, you seem to see everything as being a part of god, am I right? I just want to get that streght before we move on to anything else.

God cannot Learn, I never thought of that :)))

To Finix.

I guess that’s an easy way to put it, but I can’t say that’s technically correct.
Assuming God defined as the ultimate truth which is beyond this world,
I would say that everyTHING is a necessary idea for God’s mental state.

It’s hard for me to say if physical phenomena have anything to do with God
because I’m inclined to think that physical phenomena are misrepresentations of reality.

The God creature sounds a crashing bore…

Well, Koo, I know that’s what you think, but I thought you were playing along and taking up our idea of God for purposes of discussion. Whether you believe in Him or not, I do like to hear your thoughts about God—sort of like “Assuming God exists, then…” After all, I believe in Him, but I can also talk from the atheistic side, participating in those discussions, from the perspective of: “Assuming God doesn’t exist, then…”

Well, I try to take some things seriously, but some of it is pretty far out (man). So, sometimes my unbelief sneaks out to whack you all over the head, grab your wallet (faith) and run away with it. Sorry.

No worries. I’ll just report the cards stolen and get some new ones :)

You’re sweet, kiddo. Thanks. So few people understand my rhetoric, except here…

Luke 1:37

For nothing is impossible with God.”

Numbers 23:19

God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Galatians 6:7-8

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

Thanks GP… where DID my credit cards go???

GP, in that third quote, what do the words “sinful nature” and “spirit” refer to?

Anything which doesn’t hand over at least 10% of all dosh to the God-Creature or his minions is no doubt sinful…

The sinful nature is that which your body wants to feel good… The Spirit in that context in the Holy Spirit… one of the Trinity which is God… If you live for God you give up desires of the flesh in exchange for something more substantial…

The 10% that RB brought up is the tithe…or tenth… that Christians give back to the Church from the money they earn… it has it’s roots in the Old Testament but there is nothing in the Bible that says you must do so… individual churches tend to push this more than Christ would like I’m sure…

The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

The sinful nature is that which your body wants to feel good… The Spirit in that context in the Holy Spirit… one of the Trinity which is God… If you live for God you give up desires of the flesh in exchange for something more substantial…

So a direct translation would be…

“He who wishes to feel good is evil, while he who attempts to please god is good, and will be rewarded with heaven.”

I’m not too sure about that moral. I’m beginning to agree with Philip Pullman.

There appears to be a rather large gap between us in the understanding and use of the terms and subject matter… don’t make any lasting decisions based on my poor ass attempts to try and explain something…

...maybe I could try to clarify… Not everything that makes you feel good is bad or sinful… it’s when we put personal desires first and foremost in our lives that problems begin to arise… remember… God only wants what is BEST for you…we need to understand that only He can see the end from the beginning… we are severely limited in our perceptions…

I want what’s best for everyone else. My goal in life is to make people happy through my work.