Apologies and such... replied by ratboy @ Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:26:47 -0000

ratboy — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:26:47 -0000

kookookachoo wrote:
>Goodness me, it’s story time, rb! Tell us about those Jesuits attacking your poor Papa!

It was a dark and stormy night…erm…no…the old pa went to a Jesuit school as a lad…The brothers were quite the ones for ear pinching,head slapping and other jolly small inflictions of pain…His best tale was of a chap who was screaming bloody murder at a brother who happened to have been a boxer in his youth…brother decked the chap…knocked him out cold…charming…perhaps why Papa became C of E…

Apologies and such... replied by Arandur @ Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:57:31 -0000

Arandur — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:57:31 -0000

Oh, never underestimate a Jesuit. They’re like Jedi ninjas. Or ninja Jedi. (not sure the proper terminology here)

Apologies and such... replied by kookookachoo @ Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:20:27 -0000

kookookachoo — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:20:27 -0000

Goodness me, it’s story time, rb! Tell us about those Jesuits attacking your poor Papa!

Apologies and such... replied by ratboy @ Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:12:53 -0000

ratboy — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:12:53 -0000

Arandur wrote:
>Yes, Koo, they’re really more clever and powerful than the Illuminati…JT should be worried…
And they(Jesuits) can really throw a punch…as my father can attest…

Apologies and such... replied by Arandur @ Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:40:35 -0000

Arandur — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:40:35 -0000

Yes, Koo, they’re really more clever and powerful than the Illuminati…JT should be worried…

Apologies and such... replied by kookookachoo @ Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:25:56 -0000

kookookachoo — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:25:56 -0000

Well, yes, rb, hands down, Empresses, too! (No, there is only ONE, no plurals, now edit that out, i command it! Well, it would look kinda stoopid as just “Empress”, so never mind!) Switch one letter and you’d be a monachrist! (whatever that is)

I agree, bury it or throw it out with the trash. Marxist dictatorships are really all we’ve seen, not representative of the communist “ideal”. I also say, fuck communism!

My Grandma Henry was Weslayan, super fundamentalist Weslayan. They demonized the catholic church, especially the pope. It wasn’t in their services or prayer meetings, just sometimes a topic of discussion at those and other various church functions.

Those Jesuits are clever!

Apologies and such... replied by Arandur @ Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:01:35 -0000

Arandur — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:01:35 -0000

(random thought:) Swiss, that reminds me of an anti-Catholic pamphlet I saw distributed around among some non-LDS sectarian believers in the Book of Mormon…it claimed that the Catholic Church was the Great Abominable Church, and one of its “evidences” was that Castro was supposedly a minion of the Church (it was part of their Jesuit conspiracy theories; they claimed Castro was a Jesuit). Maybe I should forward the thing on to Pig, JT, and other conspiracy theorists here; they might like it :)

Apologies and such... replied by SwissCelt @ Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:53:06 -0000

SwissCelt — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:53:06 -0000

emptycalm wrote:
>Castro ( as far as I know) never persecuted christians but they’re not really straight up commies either.

Castro destroyed the (Catholic) Church in Cuba. Most clergy fled after the overthrow of Batista. Those who didn’t were, in fact, persecuted in the wake of the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion (the first war America ever lost, though historians are reluctant to admit this). Since 1992, relations with the Church have improved, although the Church can only accept revenue from the government.

Apologies and such... replied by Arandur @ Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:38:16 -0000

Arandur — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:38:16 -0000

It may never have been done correctly, EC, but since every attempt has been so terrible, I think that points pretty solidly to some serious fundamental flaws in the idea that should lead us to just bury communism deeply and forget about it altogether. I remember how romanticized it was during college, the self-delusion and waste of time that went on from flirting with those ideas that are really useless except as a description of what not to try. Better to just try to make capitalism work better.

Apologies and such... replied by ratboy @ Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:21:22 -0000

ratboy — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:21:22 -0000

i’m a monarchist me…queens do it better

Apologies and such... replied by kookookachoo @ Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:44:43 -0000

kookookachoo — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:44:43 -0000

That’s a very good description, ec, i feel that way myself.

Apologies and such... replied by emptycalm @ Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:31:15 -0000

emptycalm — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:31:15 -0000

Arandur wrote:
>Communism means what it has been historically embodied and represented to mean in common modern parlance. An ideology that is supposedly possible to practice, but which has led to such disaster time and time again, with no show of success and such consistent and extreme economic and humanitarian depravity, cannot be adequately defended by just saying that it has never been tried in its true form.

I’m not defending it. I’m just stating that it’s never been done correctly. I’m a very mild tempered capitalist myself.

Apologies and such... replied by kookookachoo @ Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:07:23 -0000

kookookachoo — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 09:07:23 -0000

I always found the atheism part to be interesting.

Apologies and such... replied by ratboy @ Sun, 06 Jan 2008 04:31:26 -0000

ratboy — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 04:31:26 -0000

Please…lets STOP trying…

Apologies and such... replied by Arandur @ Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:21:25 -0000

Arandur — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:21:25 -0000

Communism means what it has been historically embodied and represented to mean in common modern parlance. An ideology that is supposedly possible to practice, but which has led to such disaster time and time again, with no show of success and such consistent and extreme economic and humanitarian depravity, cannot be adequately defended by just saying that it has never been tried in its true form.

Apologies and such... replied by emptycalm @ Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:26:32 -0000

emptycalm — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:26:32 -0000

I don’t think you should use the word communist tho. While that is what they called themselves, they didn’t practice true communism. Stalinism was pretty much a brutal dictatorship and Mao was no better. Castro ( as far as I know) never persecuted christians but they’re not really straight up commies either.

Apologies and such... replied by ratboy @ Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:54:07 -0000

ratboy — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:54:07 -0000

St. Stalin…I can see it now…

Apologies and such... replied by kookookachoo @ Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:24:08 -0000

kookookachoo — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:24:08 -0000

Hell, bring him back, maybe someone here can convert him!

Apologies and such... replied by emptycalm @ Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:33:50 -0000

emptycalm — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:33:50 -0000

Bring back stalin.

I keed!! I love you guys.

Apologies and such... replied by kookookachoo @ Tue, 01 Jan 2008 05:12:37 -0000

kookookachoo — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 05:12:37 -0000

Oh, please do discuss, I so want to know all these details.

You’re right, communist states were not nice to the religious. But you notice how many of them no longer exist. It didn’t work, did it? But why are you apologizing for them? I knew you had something to do with it, rb, when I find out what it was, you’re in deep trouble. However, since those states are newly religious, RBism could use a few converts, especially well heeled converts…

Apologies and such... replied by FiNiX @ Tue, 01 Jan 2008 04:27:56 -0000

FiNiX — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 04:27:56 -0000

We’re currently on the subject of toes, Rat. Nowhere near the personals.

Apologies and such... replied by ratboy @ Tue, 01 Jan 2008 04:01:12 -0000

ratboy — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 04:01:12 -0000

I really shouldn’t be discussing me personals here in public like…

Apologies and such... replied by FiNiX @ Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:26:01 -0000

FiNiX — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:26:01 -0000

Yurp. Four fingers and a dew claw which sprouts pointlessly from the wrist. (well, foxes have one anyway. I don’t know whether rats have dew claws or not. I forget.)

Apologies and such... replied by ratboy @ Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:18:55 -0000

ratboy — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:18:55 -0000

counts digits on paw…”dammit…he’s correct again”...

Apologies and such... replied by FiNiX @ Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:13:23 -0000

FiNiX — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 03:13:23 -0000

High thingy? Have you never heard of a high five? (Rats and foxes have four fingers on each paw, just so you know.)

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