I am completely confused on the fact that god loves us. We defenitly don’t deserve his love. So why do we except his forgiveness of our sins and troubles with no guilt? Lately Ive been thinking how human beings are too overwhelmed by our greed and pride to understand what is RIGHT and WRONG. So im asking you why you think we deserve His love and forgiveness? Mostly to help me understand.

You’re absolutely right, we don’t deserve his love… But he loves us anyway. His love is unconditional. No matter what we do, what we say, or what we think, God will NEVER stop loving us.

So why do we except his forgiveness of our sins and troubles with no guilt?

We don’t. I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but at times I feel so guilty and undeserving of his love that I fall to the floor and burst into tears, asking God how he could love me after all I’ve done. But then I can feel him holding me and comforting me, and I stop crying for a moment because that feeling is so overwhelming, and then I am so overcome with joy that I burst into tears all over again, except this time thanking him for loving me so unconditionally. God’s love is like no other love. It’s the only love that is constant, never fluctuating or changing in any way. It’s the only love that you can rely on to be real.
That’s my take on it, anyway…

wondered who was doing all the crying and falling down in the flat above…

We do not deserve it.. And you remember that fact until your heart stops.. But God has shown us on multiple accounts when something is given.. You receive No Questions Asked.. I would think it would be wise in some sense if you were to question anything divine it would be his disciples and underlings but never him.. Never The True Source..

such a simple,sincere belief in an all loving god is touching…but I wish he wouldn’t go all over peevish from time to time and destroy…

Satan is the one who roams around trying to destroy everything beautiful. God loves us because he created us in his image.

JT is a warrior! we know what that is, he makes me so proud sometimes. (yeah, the humility discussion, I know, I know!) I’m a warrior, too, in my own way. Let him destroy, whatever replaces it will probably be better, anyway.

I don’t think God’s destroying anything for the time being… I think he’s allowing us to destroy everything, just like the numerous times he let the Israelites do the same thing in the Bible… As for hurricanes and natural disasters, I believe that those are the result of the fall of man in Genesis… I personally believe that God will eventually destroy the world and replace it with paradise, like another Eden…

A paradise of praising him 24/7? Sounds FANTASTIC!

Amen to that!

waFFles, I was referring to JT, not god. Didn’t mean to make it sound that way…

delightful confoosledom…

Oh… I didn’t know you were referring to JT, lol… I guess it doesn’t matter all that much though, b/c I would have said that eventually anyway…

Well, I hate to be the odd man out here, but this whole “we don’t deserve G-d’s love” thing?
It’s crap. Says who? Granted, our behavior sucks a rather large amount of the time, but what the hell. If you are going to believe in an omnipotent G-d, and that he created man, it naturally follows that our imperfections serve some purpose.

Well, OK, SwissCelt, you’ve got the whole Demiurge thing going on, but I look at that as more allegory/ metaphor than anything else. Genesis’ “dressed in skins,” and all that.

god love us so much that we ourselves dont fully understand it.
one of the reason why he loves us so much is because, although he had made all the angels and all of is creation, he wanted somthing more personal. he wanted children of his own, so he decided to make us, we are his children, that`s why no matter what we do he loves us with a everlasting love.
notice very closely here and you will see the big different between us and the angels. when satan created sin and became a demon, and took 1/4 of the angels with him, god did NOT tell jesus or anyone else in heaven to help satan or the angels.. and why didnt god help satan and the angels ? simple, because satan was a spoiled little brad, he wanted to kill god so that he could get gods power and became the most powerful being in heaven. but he was stupid because, how can the creation kill is creator. BUT wait a minute, aren`t we spoiled and sinful too, we cursE god all the time, we even make fun of him, so whats the difference between us and the angels.
HERE it is. WE ARE HIS KIDS, so even if you curse god and tell him that you hate him, he forgives you and loves you, because we are kids he knows that we are going to make a lot of mistakes, so he ignores it and tries to help save us from ourselves….you remember when god told adam and eve not to eat the forbidden fruit, they didnt listen to god, intstead they disobey and do there own thing. but what did god do ? you think god would be angry and upset and beat them with a stick or somthing lol, BUT he didnt, instead he told jesus is first born son to come and die for us so we could be saved and come back home to him. so you see, HELL was NEVER created for us. it was created for the devil and his demons. so no matter what we do or say to our father, he will never turn his back on us because he loves us too much. however because he made us with a “free will” which means we can say or do whatever we want, we tend to ignore him and do our own thing which leads us to destructions at times. but all we have to do is try to be a good child and listen to him. whenever you need help he just shout out his name and he will help you. anyways i think i wrote too much lol. i was going to write more but i think i already wrote a lot. however feel free to ask me anything about the rapture, the millenium period or whatever topic you would like to know about.

Welcome to the site CR… I think that was a well put together response and I agree with you…

Greetings, CR.

I’ll be a nice guy for now and not run roughshod all over your interpretation.

For now. :D

I conqer! Amazing response CR, exactly what I believe. Except for the small detail that mormons believe satan too 1/3 of the angels in heaven w/ him. But still BRAVO! And nice to see we have a new member :DDD

Oh, CRAP…LDS gal, your response motivates me to respond in a way I was trying to avoid.

Alright. Find a passage of Scripture that supports this asinine idea of “Satan” being cast out of heaven, along with (pick a number) of accompanying “fallen” angels.

Hint: there is none.

Well, Dave, it probably says so in the Book of Mormon, so there! (lol) It’s a joke, son, it’s a joke!

clintonreid wrote: anyways i think i wrote too much lol. i was going to write more but i think i already wrote a lot. however feel free to ask me anything about the rapture, the millenium period or whatever topic you would like to know about.

Welcome to GSLU, clintonreid!

Thank you for joining our family! If you like, you can tell us a little more about yourself in the Introduction thread http://godstilllovesus.org/forums/7/topics/20 I enjoyed reading your post, feel free to expound, talk as much as you want, we enjoy talking round these parts. It is nice to welcome a new member!

Warmest wishes,
Kookoo

kookookachoo wrote:
>Well, Dave, it probably says so in the Book of Mormon, so there!

Nope, can’t even blame Bro. Joe for this bit of hogwash.
We can blame the following:
1. Milton, in “Paradise lost,

which was probably based on,

2. A ridiculous interpretation of Isaiah 14: 12- 22, made popular during the 19th century, because people were too f*cking stupid to realize that a version of the Bible, through many bad translations, had largely distorted it’s intrinsic message.

The last bit of sensible understanding we have left of “Satan” is his part in Job as “Devil’s Advocate,” although that particular book has been so misinterpreted as to be almost valueless.

If I sound pissed, it’s because I am. The Bible is awesome as an ancient Sacred Text. Misinterpreted, you may as well wipe your ass with it’s Holy pages of wisdom.

Satol I love it when you give me a challenge! okay here it goes:

Rev.12:4,7-9

” 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

“7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. “

OH! NOW WHAT SON?! :)))
Bible refrence too! although it says this in the book of mormon as well, thanks Koo dalring.

LdsGal202 wrote:
>Satol I love it when you give me a challenge! okay here it goes:

Thank G-d, LDSGal, you didn’t quote the verse talking about “Lucifer” being cast down, which is a major translation problem, and one most people rely on.
There may be hope for you. :D

BTW, technically, ya got me. Revelation does give it a mention. I tend to think of that particular book as somewhat outside the course of the rest of the Bible- it really is a book apart, and one of my favorites.
It’s really important to understand, though, that Revelation is commentary by a mystic, and way, WAY outside any kind of thought held by the basis of the Christian Faith, Judaism. Jews don’t see “the devil” in anywhere near the same way many Christians do, and it is their tradition that we are a splinter of, and actually, if studied carefully, very close to. Particularly Mormonism. There is absolutely no way that a Jewish/ Christian mystic (the guy we think of as John the Revelator/ Evangelist) would conceive Satan in the form we’re speaking of, particularly as an actual, fallen angel. We cheapen the allegorical mystery of our tradition when we do that.

St. John’s Apocalypse (Revelation), my has only been interpreted as an “end of the world” scenario, involving a pitched battle between the Christ and his evil counterpart, the AntiChrist, since the mid- 19th century. It is properly understood as a gnostic/ hermetic text, using very old imagery (pre- Bible) to explain the process of enlightenment through the “Christos,” or Divine within. You will not find that in standard, modern Bible interpretations. You will see the same imagery and story in many ancient Sacred Texts, and I’ll guarantee you, in my study of what Joseph Smith wrote, and esoteric Mormonism (yep- you guys have us pesky rascals too) big Joe was totally clued into this.

This Apocalypse, BTW, was not the only one written- several Biblical writers wrote versions, all contained in the Nag Hammadi Library, which I strongly encourage you to purchase and read.

Start thinking about this passage this way, and make the following assumptions (you don’t have to believe them, just go with me, as an experiment):

If allegory (and it is), who is Michael? It helps if you find out what that Hebrew name translates to in English. Who is Satan? Again, helps to know what that term means. Who fell? Adam, in a sense, fell, yes? What does the name “Adam” mean? What does “angel” mean, in Hebrew?

Study, darlin’. Spiritual development is far too important to merely accept what a church, members of that church (even, sadly, your parents), or clergy have forced you to parrot back. You MUST work this out, using your own brain. It’s key, and I hope I’ve told you this when you are still at a young enough age not to be stuck in a spiritual box. Don’t even accept what I tell you at face value. Analyze it. And seriously, look up the answers to the questions I asked you, then THINK about what this passage might mean.

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